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How about an article that has people post if this is happening in their town. It’s interesting to read why some people still refer to 45 Colt as “45 Long Colt”. Sep 11, 2016 #2. (IMO) I had an NEF "Survivor" .45C/.410, but wasn't impressed with its performance when shooting 3" #6's in the .410 and got rid of it. The round was simply not suitable for use in a lever action or slide action rifle. I’ve even done so myself. It has a rim that is larger in diameter than the barrel of the casing. I have thought about trading it in every now and then but still have the damn thing. You take ammunition back? I can dream. Modern cases use a slightly larger rim, so the issue has been addressed and made logistics for Cowboy Action Shooting much easier on the participants of the sport. Part and parcel of chambering a medium action length to a PPC cartridge, the 94 is ideal for 2.25 OAL cartridges,not so for 1.575 OAL length cartridges. It’s the 4109DE which is the 4 3/4″ barrel, 45 Colt Smoke Wagon. [email protected] made these revolvers for US Mlitary too.… Read more ». I shoot "Cowboy Action" with Ruger Vaqueros in .45 Colt. For about a decade the moniker 45 Long Colt was applicable when differentiating between the two rounds but by the dawn of the 20th century the Schofield had long been retired and sold on the surplus market, by the end of World War 2, both revolvers were becoming distant memories and Colt’s latest offering that proved itself in the Second World War (the M1911 chambered in 45 ACP) was becoming the new favorite among shooters. It was a hard hitter on both ends akin to shooting 44mag loads. I just bought a Taurus the Judge .410/.45LC stamped under the barrel. Why was there a debate on this to begin with? While either term is correct, 45 Long Colt was really just a nickname. Please I really need to know and would appreciate an honest answer. You're not going to add a whole lot of carbon rings with just 100 rounds. I bought some ammo the other day that was .45 LC. Yes, I know it was meant for a rifle. I have seen brass at the range marked 45 LC, however, so the myth is perpetuated. The revolver had a 5 inch barrel. The 45 70 has a rim diameter of.608 and a base diameter of.505. In modern firearms with tight chambers (ie, modern-tight, as opposed to loose black powder era chambers), you can get such a wide span of performance out of a .45 Colt, it is difficult to match in most modern rounds. Read books, internet etc, before you insert a .45 ACP into your revolving pistol, without half moon clip that is. 45 Cowboy Special Brass The Cowboy .45 Special is a case that is optimized for use with light loads in .45 Colt caliber revolvers for Cowboy Action Shooting. if (document.compatMode && document.compatMode == 'BackCompat') { The Colt shooters could easily use the shorter Smith & Wesson cartridge, so the quartermasters began referring to the Colt round as “45 Long Colt”. The Frankford Arsenal ended up dropping the longer round from production in 1887 and solely manufactured the 45 S&W round as the “.45 caliber M1887 Military Ball Cartridge“until 1892 when it was replaced by the 38 Long Colt round in a new double action revolver. Eventually, the 45 Colt would form the basis for the 454 Casull and 460 Smith & Wesson rounds and of course, the 45 Colt can be fired in … I asked for 45acp gold dots one day, I could see them sitting on the shelf behind the counter. '(iPhone|iPod|iPad)(?!. if (document.getElementById("af-form-1780098037")) { Based on that info, I’m running the same (or a similar) 350gr slug at around 1200fps from a 7.5″ Blackhawk using a similar charge of 300-MP. document.getElementById("af-footer-1780098037").className = "af-footer af-quirksMode"; Thompson Center’s and Ruger’s offerings for the 45 Colt breathed new life into the old round that had eluded the older Colt revolvers and even the Smith & Wesson N-Frame. Ballisticians saw the case length and powder capacity to be the equivalent of the 44 Magnum and capable of launching a heavier bullet at higher pressure and velocity than its predecessors. The common wisdom is that if you fire a 44-40 in a 45 Colt revolver, the bullet will rattle down the bore and not hit anything. No ammo manufacturer that I know of sells what they call “45 Long Colt’. I shot a pair of Pietta 1858 Remington replica pistols in cowboy action matches for quite a while, using Taylor's R&D conversions. As to the lack of lever rifles in .45 Colt: That’s true. var IE = /*@cc_on! What I am waiting on now is a BFR chambered in 350Legend. Might explain why when i drink alone now i prefer to be by myself. Now that would be interesting since the 350Legend is basically a .357 magnum on steroids, but a rimless cartridge based on .223 brass. The Frankford Arsenal ended up dropping the longer round from production in 1887 and solely manufactured the 45 S&W round as the “ . After a few decades, interest in the old guns wavered again and colt retired the SAA in 1978. Not very successfull, misfires due to lack of longitudenal support of the cartridge. Haven’t really looked. I noticed the guns made to chambered in 45 Colt were more readily available and less costly. :’). I’ve considered buying one in .45 Colt but the… Read more ». 'Android. There was by this time a plethora of other handguns offered in this caliber from Ruger, Thompson Center, and various Italian gun makers who replicated the SAA and later the Model 3. I like how the picture caption says “Old Vaquero”. When I think of 45 caliber handgun ammo, I think of 45 ACP or 45 Colt. Nice article about my favorite cartridge! Now lets tackle 9mm vs 9mm luger vs 9mm parabellum vs 9×19. Great picture of the Ruger Vaquero birdshead model. He then loaded a .454 Casull and it was a little more uncomfortable. Now if the retailers stopped calling it “Long Colt,” all would be right with the world. A few ammunition manufacturers and load developers began offering the round or the recipe to cook up a hotter load as “For Thompson center and Ruger Only” as a warning for Colt and S&W shooters to not load them in their firearms. Modern .45 Colt revolvers slug at 0.451″, so they’ll take modern cast lead projectiles that you could also use in the .45 ACP. Colt. Light loads with excessive airspace are a recipe for case splits and erratic function. “The people who still refer to it as .45 LC are therefore not necessarily wrong, but still most likely clueless as to exactly why it was called that.” Smith & Wesson offered the 45 Colt chambering in their N-Frame revolvers as well. I’ve never had an issue with the skinnier .44 magnum nor have I heard of rounds getting under the lifter. The reason for this had to do with the case dimensions of the original 45 Colt and its almost nonexistent rim. Do not try such loads in the Ruger “New Model” Vaquero (earlier model shown above). Ha. That is probably why they put it in quotes. The rim of the .45 acp is the same diameter as the cartridge casing. The reason for this is because .45 COLT is the official name used by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI). Why waste money on 2 cylinders if I could use 1 to shoot both types of ammo. Depends on which 45 and which 44 chambering you are talking about the load Read More. That’s simply not true.. the never was a 45 short Colt. can be loaded to "X" amount of pressure with an adequate safety margin, so can the .45 Colt. ]; The reproduction Schofield revolvers, what do they shoot? At the end of a match, I fired five 44-40 rounds out of one of my 45 Colt revolvers at a standard CAS pistol target at normal CAS pistol distance. Colt had ceased production at the onset of the war, but soon tooled up to make the classic revolver again and offered it in its original chambering: the 45 Colt! Although I have not even fired my Uberti – Taylors & Company Smoke Wagon yet, I adore it. Also, the Schofield had a wider rim that prevented the user from loading more than 3 chambers in their SAAs, so the 1887 round had the rim size of the Colt and the case length of the Schofield. Then to throw a even shorter colt into the modern mix for 45 colt chambered guns. Thought for sure he’d have pointed out a dozen historical errors by now. and what modifications would need to be made? The lack of rim size was the reason that you could not get repeating rifles made in .45 Colt in … Even standard velocity .45 Colt ammo gets enough of a boost in the 20″ barrel to take a deer at 100 yds. These five loads are also much more powerful than the 410 gauge slug loads you can fire in the Judge. Viewers wanted to own the guns shown on television, specifically, the Colt Single Action Army Revolver. Fun article though. If hunting loads are your objective, my best recommendation is the Hornady Leverloution. })(); These days it is the same round. Even Colt used to call it “Long Colt” on their webpage. The chambering selected was a .45 caliber black powder cartridge manufactured by the Union Metallic Cartridge Company of Bridgeport, CT. Two years later Army units began adopting the Smith & Wesson Schofield Revolver for use as an alternate sidearm. Happy shooting. *(wv|\.0\.0\.0)' Unfortunately, the revolver used a shorter proprietary cartridge that soon created a problem of logistics. Cases of ordinance were simply marked “Pistol, 45 caliber”. Takeaway for me is that I own an Old Vaquero in 45 Long Colt. Seems like something for erudite gunsels to argue about. These five loads are safe to use in ANY 45 Colt firearm and are much more powerful than ordinary 45 Colt ammo. .45 Colt brass is easily available. Mike has written over 2000 articles for a number of magazines, websites, and newsletters including Blade, RECOIL, OFF-GRID, Tactical Officer, SWAT, Tactical World, Gun Digest, Examiner.com and the US Concealed Carry Association as well as AmmoLand Shooting Sports News. United States -(AmmoLand.com)- At 143 years old, a certain US-made .45 caliber cartridge still shows no sign of going away. I’m curious if they’ve changed the lifter design at some point. .45 ACP, which I just call 45, plenty. I’ve just recently started learning about this ammunition cause I bought a Bond Arms Snake Slayer IV. Great article. Viewers wanted to own the guns shown on television, specifically, the Colt Single Action Army Revolver. This is relevant to me. 1st published Sep 30, 2016. I have the same rifle, circa early 70’s, in .44 magnum. Another time, in a other place, asked for .45 acp, and the guy just looked at me like I had a dick growing out of my forehead so then I said, .”45 auto?” He said “no we don’t have either of those.

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